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Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:08 pm
by Brf
I read the response to mean that in addition to the RR, there will be only 2 new controllers offered. My interpretation is that the Falcon and Eagle will not be made, but that is based on how I read the release.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:13 pm
by Packgrog
It's unclear. Seems likely that your interpretation is correct, but that would be extremely unfortunate, and very limiting for SOTA.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:23 pm
by YoungDave
I am really happy to read this. I have an Eagle and Roadrunner on my HR-X, and they are by far the best speed control system I have ever seen. I previously used the original VPI SDS box that came with my 2004 HR-X, and it provided good stability but of course had no RPM measurement function. The Eagle is a better stabilizer, and the feedback loop and RPM readout with an attached Roadrunner is truly outstanding.

I had occasion to discuss these products with Bill, the owner/inventor of Phoenix engineering, and I like him. I was so disappointed when he decided to retire, but was relieved to discover that he would continue supporting his customers. That is very classy! I am so glad the Phoenix line will continue...

VPI would have been wise to license-produce the Phoenix products, or purchase them for inclusion in the product line, instead of attempting to re-invent the idea with its ADS. That's my opinion, anyway.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:41 pm
by jmcox
Sounds cool. I'm thinking that a Roadrunner might work well with my SDS . . . ?

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:57 pm
by 10ovr
I have a extra Roadrunner that I well hook up to my HW40DD when I get it,,That should be fun,,,,,

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:16 am
by MOON
VPI is coming out with their signature ads 3rd quarter of next year. I am waiting for that.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:39 am
by Brf
jmcox wrote:Sounds cool. I'm thinking that a Roadrunner might work well with my SDS . . . ?


The Roadrunner will work on any turntable regardless of the motor or motor controller. What the RR won't do is provide loop feedback to the SDS to allow automated on the fly speed adjustments, for that your will need a Falcon or Eagle motor controller.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:25 pm
by Letsmakeadeal
YoungDave wrote:I am really happy to read this. I have an Eagle and Roadrunner on my HR-X, and they are by far the best speed control system I have ever seen. I previously used the original VPI SDS box that came with my 2004 HR-X, and it provided good stability but of course had no RPM measurement function. The Eagle is a better stabilizer, and the feedback loop and RPM readout with an attached Roadrunner is truly outstanding.

I had occasion to discuss these products with Bill, the owner/inventor of Phoenix engineering, and I like him. I was so disappointed when he decided to retire, but was relieved to discover that he would continue supporting his customers. That is very classy! I am so glad the Phoenix line will continue...

Hey YougDave - Have you experienced both the ADS and the RoadRunner / Eagle in your system first hand? If yes, then your statement may have some merit (your judged opinion anyway) If not, what do you base your opinion on? VPI would have been wise to license-produce the Phoenix products, or purchase them for inclusion in the product line, instead of attempting to re-invent the idea with its ADS. That's my opinion, anyway.


The design of the ADS was specifically to eliminate digital artifacts from the power chain. It is 180 degree different approach. Different idea, different intent, different science, different results. Each addresses the power chain with certain criteria that may place more emphasis on one aspect or another. There are advocates for both and people will disagree and fight for one approach or the other. I owned an Eagle / Roadrunner combo and also the ADS. I ended up keeping the ADS and selling the Eagle/roadrunner. Either choice does not make the other wrong or right, better or worse. It is another flavor for consideration.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:09 pm
by Johnny
I wonder if SOTA will only be making these available for their tables or make them available as a standalone product to be used with other tables.

Re: Phoenix Eng Speed Control

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:32 pm
by steveo
A few years ago, an audiophile buddy of mine, John Elison, got a Condor/3-phase motor prototype from Bill Carlin to try on his SOTA Millennium. He brought it down to my place and I tried it on my Prime (very nice, dead quiet). A while back, John contacted SOTA and asked them if they'd be interested in Bill's new motor/speed controller, and initially, they weren't. But there is a new guy (NOS guy? ;-)), Christian, at SOTA who contacted Bill, and so the happy result.

So I guess we need to thank John for this. BTW, even though John has a Millennium, every time he's down he looks at my Prime and says "Maybe I should get one.". ;-)