Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby edw » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:48 am

That's exactly why I had a Q-up and went to the custom Tru-Lift once I got the ring. Most times, I will be listening at the couch and can lift the arm when needed. But other times, we're having dinner, reading, computing, step out for a few minutes, etc., and may forget the LP has reached the end of the side for a while. This definitely takes care of that worry.

FWIW, the 20x2L has a height spec of 18mm from diamond tip to the top of the cart.

One possible fix/update I thought about - I think the lift bar/lift bar shaft/piston assembly screws into the top cover of the base, which is then secured by the small allen bolt on the side of the base. Perhaps there could be enough threads there so that the entire assembly could be raised or lowered within the base (in your case 5mm), with the top cover of the base still being able to raise/lower a bit like it does already as secured by that small allen bolt.
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby Robes » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:48 pm

Hi All

I just read this thread as well as any others on the Tru Lift. Now I'm sitting hear not sure of what I read specifically. I just bought a VPI Prime yesterday from Seth at SSD for an unbelievable price that included the dual pivot kit, Tru-Lift & KAB Speedstrobe, and he threw in an Ortofon Red so I had something before finding a cart.

Anyway, before he sends it out this week I started thinking, he's giving me or I asked for, the Tru- Lift for the Prime (obviously). Yet, down the road I think I may pick up the "periphery ring" for the platter. Of course, I know that was addressed in this very thread and/or others but not knowing for sure exactly which VPI model was specifically being addressed, if that mattered, I don't know. I know it can be placed on the "Arm Board" and it works great, but is that specifically in regard to a VPI Prime & dual pivot setup with the periphery ring?

I thought there were a couple heights available for the Tru-Lift, not sure what I'm getting for simply ordering it for a Prime and no mention that I will use with a"ring" latter. Do I need to change this order or will the Tru-Lift for the Prime (that I ordered, which is built to work mounted on the plinth) work on the arm board as well as the plinth?

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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby madrac » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:08 pm

Tru lift comes in a couple of different heights, and as an adjustable kit (see below).

I'd check with Seth as to which one he's including, and if you are planning to add the ring at some point, it may change which TruLift is needed.

http://www.integrityhifi.ca/apps/webstore/
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby edw » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:13 pm

My post was really for those with a 9" arm on a Scout, as there is not much room to add a periphery ring and lift for that setup. Given that your Prime has a 10" arm and a lot more space to add the periphery ring and lift, you need not worry.
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby Robes » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm

Thanks madrac & edw for those replies. I'll just go with it then, besides Seth mentioned I could return any of it if something wasn't right-
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby husafreak » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:32 am

Note that while you will have a lot more room to place your Tru lift on the Prime the actual working height of the Tru lift is pretty limited in terms of adjustability. SSD should know what height you need or take responsibility for that parameter. I bought not really realizing this and even though I have the same table and arm as the OP I had to modify my Tru lift to get it to work. Just due to the difference in the height of our cartridges and platter mats. I love how well it works but note that it's use is not optional! I forgot to set it prior to play a few times and when you hear your record skipping because the arm is hitting the raised lift it is going to make you jump.
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby Robes » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:06 pm

Thanks husafreak .... :mrgreen:
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby husafreak » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:47 pm

I would like to take a moment to publicly thank Carlo Lupo at www.integrityhifi.ca for truly outstanding service. Carlo wasn't happy with the fact that I had to modify my Tru-Lift with a plastic extension so he sent me a replacement Tru-Lift! It was a nice surprise and goes to show how passionate a craftsman he is. Thanks Carlo. The replacement unit fit and worked perfectly. But there is more to the story...
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Re: Custom Tru-Lift ... To the Rescue ('tables with 9" arms)

Postby husafreak » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:47 pm

Just prior to receiving my replacement Tru-Lift I ordered a new arm. As I worked through the variables of installing the JMW9-3D arm on my Scout 2 my Tru-Lift needed to be modified. The 3D arm molding is thick with a footing where the Tru-Lift pushes it up. This is due to where the periphery ring requires the placement of the Tru-Lift (any lift) on the plinth. Well, I guess it was Carlo to the rescue again! He had told me to keep the original Tru-Lift, to make a gift of it or whatever, but I was able to recombine the parts from the two lifts I had to make a perfect one for the new 3D arm. Unfortunately the remaining parts combine to make a rather useless lift but if anyone here, and in the states, and with access to a machine shop (or Carlo) wants to give it a go you are welcome to it ;)
I will post some pics here of the new installation, and of the "useless" lift.
You will see that the shortest Model #1 base works best with a stored periphery ring on a Scout 2 table as it can be adjusted in height as designed and still fit under the ring when stowed. Also note that the trip wire is unusually tall due to the thickness in the vertical of the 3D arm. Carlo has all this on file now if anyone needs a Tru-Lift for their Scout. On a Scout the actual cylindrical 3D armtube begins over the periphery ring but on a Scout Prime with its bigger footprint there may be more options for placement. What I have done would certainly work though. I think!
The extra lift is "useless" due to the trip wire not extending above the lifting rail. The entire assembly is exactly 75mm tall with the top rail lowered and locked.
Anywhoo, back to fiddling with fine tonearm adjustments, getting my 3D arm dialed! I picked a winner for todays session, Morphine's Live At The Warfield 1997 has some great moments. The most obvious for dialing setup being when the singer simply talks between songs. With the correct VTA the hall expanse suddenly materializes. Pretty obvious.
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