Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Solid » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:41 am

Thanks. A couple drops of motor oil didn’t seem to do the trick. Maybe I have a better chance buying the motor from vpi, even if it costs more. Will look into those arms. I’ve heard and read mixed reviews about the Linn basic lv x. The cable only has the long grounding cable that attaches to a preamp grounding post. No additional short grounding cable in sight. I have no exprerience with electrical engineering, so if this seems like an uninformed question, forgive me. Where should I run the second grounding cable from. The long grounding cable that is connected to the preamp? Seems like my only option other than buying a new cable.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Brf » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Solid wrote:Thanks. A couple drops of motor oil didn’t seem to do the trick. Maybe I have a better chance buying the motor from vpi, even if it costs more. Will look into those arms. I’ve heard and read mixed reviews about the Linn basic lv x. The cable only has the long grounding cable that attaches to a preamp grounding post. No additional short grounding cable in sight. I have no exprerience with electrical engineering, so if this seems like an uninformed question, forgive me. Where should I run the second grounding cable from. The long grounding cable that is connected to the preamp? Seems like my only option other than buying a new cable.


I assume that your phono cable's DIN plug has a 5 connector pinout. If so, one of those connections is the ground and is more than likely part of the cable's shield. If you attached the tonearm's ground spade connection to your pre amp's ground post, you will be fine. As an added precaution, some users run a separate ground wire from the bottom platter bearing to the preamp grounding post, but this is not necessary if you do not experience any system hum.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Solid » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

Thanks! Unfortunately I do experience hum. Only with this turntable. I tried this turntable on a couple different systems. There is motor noise as well, but it also seems like a grounding issue. When I hold the tonearm and move it closer to the spindle it becomes more pronounced. I isolated the motor completely from the top mdf plate, and as soon as the needle hits the record, there is hum. Prior to that, I thought it was motor noise, and honestly still sounds like it is being transferred even though it is still isolated. I tried a bunch of stuff too, including a cartridge change. I wonder if some of these Linn basik tonearm din cables came without the second grounding cable. If I do solder one in, or buy another din cable with the second ground lead, where should I attach this second grounding lead. The chassis around the motor? (motor box?)
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Brf » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:41 am

On my former Linn table the phono DIN plug had a pigtail grounding wire that attached the table's metal sub chassis. You might want to try and run a separate ground wire from the platter bearing to the pre amp grounding lug to see if this helps mitigate the hum. As an alternative, try a another phono cable with better shielding.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Ducky » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 am

Solid wrote:Thanks! Unfortunately I do experience hum. Only with this turntable. I tried this turntable on a couple different systems. There is motor noise as well, but it also seems like a grounding issue. When I hold the tonearm and move it closer to the spindle it becomes more pronounced. I isolated the motor completely from the top mdf plate, and as soon as the needle hits the record, there is hum. Prior to that, I thought it was motor noise, and honestly still sounds like it is being transferred even though it is still isolated. I tried a bunch of stuff too, including a cartridge change. I wonder if some of these Linn basik tonearm din cables came without the second grounding cable. If I do solder one in, or buy another din cable with the second ground lead, where should I attach this second grounding lead. The chassis around the motor? (motor box?)


It sounds as if you have both electrical and mechanical noise issues. Moving the cart closer to the spindle sounds like electrical hum, although it could still be mechanical if the tonearm is resting on the queuing platform and the change of position increases coupling. Do you get the same result by moving the tonearm closer with the queuing down but holding the arm by the finger lift?

The hum when the needle hits the records definitely sounds like mechanical hum coming from the motor. I think this is less a problem when the motor is mounted off-chassis like the Scout or Prime.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Solid » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:40 pm

So. There are two motor noises. One that is a dull, hum like, continuous sound. The other is a more friction like sound that actually decreases when I touch the tonearm with my finger (I don’t think it is actual friction with the player bearing. It’s coming from the motor). Then while still holding with my fingers comes back when I move the arm close to the spindle. I’m really tempted to try and fix this. However, I just see it taking me forever. May just sell this for parts at this point. I’m on a budget and all the seemingly necessary upgrades are just a little much. The ADS or similar. Platter upgrades. Better arm. My sl1200mk2 is looking and sounding pretty good right now. Not quite the same vibe as the hw-19 but a really nice sound (and stable speed) with a few tweaks.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby JimmyL » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:54 pm

I'd encourage you to keep working at this table. I recently built/mod'ed my HW-19 Mk3 and can honestly say, once done, I doubt I will ever really want to change it. If I came across a MK4 platter... I might add that but I'm not super needing it. I can't discern an immediate need for any speed control and love the classic looks of this table. There are always additional mod's etc to look at as the budget permits but compared to my past tables and most any newer/fancier tables, I really can't see anything I like better.
Great table and well worth the pain of sorting out the issues.
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby Solid » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:23 pm

I haven't had time to do anything about this turntable yet. The hum issue may not be the turntable. Could be a power issue in here. Recently acquired a new to me power amp. Bryston 3B-SST. I am temporarily using an NAD 1240 preamp to drive it. Not an ideal pairing, I know. This stuff is in a rehearsal studio where my second system lives, and some gear that I audition before bringing home. Honestly, some gear that I flip, as well. BUT! What I discovered is that there is a serious hum issue that may be ubiquitous to the entire space, and may be what is causing the hum with the Linn Basik arm. The hum happens only when things are turned up really loud (technics sl1200mk2 at440mla cart, NAD pre, to bryston 3b-sst).

Still need to replace the motor. Pretty hesitant about buying one from hurst, since it may take 2 or 3 to get a quiet one, but pretty happy it's only $80. On a budget these days. Sooooo.....

More questions:

I have an sme 3009 improved arm with fixed headshell that I would potentially like to install on this turntable. This is a Jr. with no armboard, just a slab of mdf(right?) with a hole in it for a linn arm. Can I install on this turntable? How? Do I need a whole new piece of mdf?

Can I use an upgraded motor? I see different rpm's etc. A little confusing. I actually made a SAMA with some soup cans and the sorbo pucks. As well as some shims to make sure things lined up correctly. Just curious what options I have for motor replacement. Also most likely need a new belt. Can i just grab one from eBay?

What are my options for a plug and play arm? Is the Rega RB300 the same dimensions as the Linn Basik? Can I just drop it in? Also considering an Origin Live Onyx.


Missed an auction for a Linn Ittok... That would have been a good move.

aaaand cracked the dustcover... woe is me. 1st world problems...
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Re: Packing a HW-19 MkIII for shipment cross country??

Postby bdp24 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:42 am

Solid, the Linn arms and the Regas have different pivot to spindle distances, so no, you can't mount a Rega in the holes in your plinth. If you don't mind covering the holes for the Linn with a plastic or rubber cap (like VPI did with the TNT) you could do that and cut a new hole for the Rega. If you have a new plinth made, consider having it made of Acrylic instead of MDF; any good plastics shop/fabricator will do it for you. I had one near me make armboards for my HW-19 Mk.3 and Aries 1 tables. They also would have done it out of the harder Delrin that VPI used in their black platters, but it's a rather ugly, matte finish black. The shiny acrylic looks more stock.
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